super cool - I have my own sniper now !

Mordred · Post by **Mordred** » 22 Jul 2005, o 13:03

oh but I am not really bothered by this ... it's just too bad that a good chance is wasted by such practics. I have long ago given up hope of getting an objective rating

Trovarion · Post by **Trovarion** » 22 Jul 2005, o 13:16

Mordred wrote:Now my results at painting comps reflect more my 'popular score' than my 'technical score'. so coolmini is still useful for me.

yeah but that's the thing i wanted to point out. you won't get an objective score that is only judging your technique at CMON...

IMHO when you're a good painter you KNOW if your technique is good or not. basically if you can paint smooth transitions you've arived, not much to change there. the rest is style and some people will like your/my/anyone's style and some simply wont.
This might sound cocky but isn't at all meant that way, but I feel that technique wise I cant learn much anymore. I can still tweak on my favourite 4, 5, 6 techniques but it won't be much advance. I can now only hope for cool ideas and for strong nerves so that I hold on to working concentreated for hours and don't get sloppy...

I also don't see where you could improve your technique, honestly. You do a good blending on colors. Judging from your last mini I'd say you don't yet have the knack of metallics, but it's not really different from layering other colors. you might want to try to work with washes more and paint it like it were NMM (e.g.: I usually apply my 3 rules of NMM even when painting metallics) it will catch a judges eye, I'm sure.

Also, don't be too crazy about a Golden Demon ("We need's it, we waaaannnnnnt's it"). Just do something that you can enjoy painting and don't think what the judges will like or not. It won't work.

I was confident enough that my Nurgle dude for the Gaming Day in Vienna this year could beat even a monster, because it was at a good standard technique wise (both conversion/painting) and well, the judges taught me better, because I lost to something they thought was OMGWTF IMPRESSIVE!!!!111 and it sure wasn't better technique wise...

you see...do your thing, do what you like, do what you enjoy and if you don't win a demon you will not even be pissed off because you had fun while doing it and don't have to think "oh sheet, I invested sooo much time in thinking what could be considered cool by some judge and now it was all in vain"
If sort of happened to me, scoring "only" second in Vienna that day but it was actually not much of a tragedy, because I really liked the miniature and had fun while doing it. When the actual competition day arives there are so many factors that you can't influence...so much can happen...

I also often said: "oh I'm not bothered...." and then came the "but...!" and as soon as you have the "but" there you're actually bothered

nothing wrong with that, but basically it's a waste of your energy that you could invest into precious painting

endrem · Post by **endrem** » 22 Jul 2005, o 14:00

Agreed. 100%. That was a nice summary

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Post by **Skrit** » 22 Jul 2005, o 20:14

Good and interesting read Trov!

@Mordred: some people are just plain sad! 'nuff said really! I gave it a nine to even it out a bit but see it as a 8.5 mini. Also, what I know is that '1' votes aren't counted in the end a Cmon. After 50 votes those votes will be left out. (that's what I heard...)

Trovarion · Post by **Trovarion** » 22 Jul 2005, o 23:01

that's actually true. 1's are deleted.

Post by **Demi_morgana** » 23 Jul 2005, o 12:15

I can add only 1 thing to this topic:
one time in my life I've also been sniped

it's generally fuc*ed up thing BUT on the other hand try to look at the situation from such point of view:
as wrote Skrit after You score 50 votes 1s will be deleted and the presence of sniper means than somebody is really jealous about Your painting... so You must be really good painter!

-MattCexwish- · Post by **-MattCexwish-** » 23 Jul 2005, o 12:25

Hehe... snipers, jeah, I have got two until now...^_^... But I am looking forward to see ONE of them at German Games Day 2005, so I can show him, what I think of his... thoghts...

... (this is not a joke, he deserved everything that might occur and more...

...)...

Post by **Demi_morgana** » 23 Jul 2005, o 13:09

-MattCexwish- wrote:But I am looking forward to see ONE of them at German Games Day 2005, so I can show him, what I think of his... thoghts...... (this is not a joke, he deserved everything that might occur and more......)...

wow!

how You learned who sniped Your minis down???

if You will meet him - feel free to also give him "regards" from me...

Mordred · Post by **Mordred** » 23 Jul 2005, o 18:33

you pretty much nailed it there Trov, and ofcourse I'm not 100 % cool with snipers and all that, but when I start thinking about it I know how useless it is to worry about my Cmon Score. what you say about technique is also true. I can still improve my technique, no doubts about it, but right now I know where I'm at without needing coolmini scorings. but it's useful for me to see how others view my miniatures, because it will give me a good prospect of my chances at a local painting comp.
I know it's silly, but I'm a competitive person and if I go to a competition I want to win, no matter what it is. with local warhammer tournaments this is usually the case, but with painting comps I tend to strand on a second or third place, even when I am 100% sure that my technique is much better than the mini's placing above me. they just have that extra 'eye-catching' value that my darker figures usually lack.

I'm not obsessed with winning a demon, but if I go to germany again I want to improve my result last year, a finalist placement. if I take two entries this time I will be pleased when they both place as a finalist, and if they don't I will be dissapointed, and motivated to do better. if I only take one thing to the competition I want to win a golden demon with it. but I know damn well that there is a serious difference between wanting it and winning it

by the way, I saw your miniatures from up close, and rest assured it doesn't sound cocky when you say your technique has reached a top level where it is almost getting to perfection. It's just the simple truth. the nmm on that dirz clone looks even better IrL, and the same goes for the other models I saw.

-MattCexwish- · Post by **-MattCexwish-** » 23 Jul 2005, o 18:42

Well, let´s say that I have managed it to find out without wanting it... I had spoken to some important people and they helped my out a bit... It´s actually a long story, but I know, who it is... and we´ll see at GD, maybe I spot him...

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