Legacy Miniatures (Confrontation returns)

[Marta]

I always wanted Molochs, but never found them on ebay. And now I can buy them for 90$ (plus shipping), and I think it't too much:(
I wouldn't mind paying this kind kind of money for two huge busts, but notfor two 32 mm minis (even slightly bigger and with wings).

'eM

[NAVARRO]

Interesting reading at TTGN from Legacy themselves...

Legacy Miniatures wrote:
November 7, 2011 at 3:55 am
Hi,

I take the opportunity to explain and answers to some of the complains I read in these last months.
First of all thanks for posting them, we were expecting them and it is important for us to read and react.
As David from CMON said things are not always black and white.
I will explain where we come from and why we acted in a certain way and not in another:

CMON has no responsibilities on the pricing, we sell them the waves at a certain price and of course they charge their profit margin. So no need to attack them, they are just doing their job.
We are located in China, finding a trustworthy resin caster is very difficult and we found a solution that is still too expensive. For you and for us. We are now in the process to reconsider the whole process.
We wanted to provide an impeccable product in term of quality; this is the reason why a resin mould is used only for few casts (5 to 8 depending on the piece) and why we inserted a plastic tray. We understood now that these solutions are too expensive so from future waves we will change this approach. We also work the miniatures with a system of integrated plugs and this is also an additional cost.
We collected all the resins masters left by Rackham and we found them in a very chaotic status. Some pieces are missing; some others incomplete and we have to archive and catalogue in a proper manner. This is time consuming and we are not that many at Legacy Miniatures.
After wave 2 and wave 3 we understood there is no reason to re-release existing products. We will limit the release to new pieces or to limited edition ones.
When we will have finally sorted out the catalogue, we will sit down with our distribution partner CMON and we will decide what is the best way to relaunch the game. Again it is not an easy call because it is a huge investment and we have to do in the right way.
These pieces now on sale will never be recasted in this manner and quality, hence customers who bought them could be sure of the uniqueness of their acquisition.
The Cynwall Dragon will be sold at what we consider the right market price after we looked into similar pieces. No doubt, it will be expensive, but again we don’t think we will be able to produce many of them.

Thanks to all of you for your patience, critics and we hope that we will be able in the future months to fulfil your expectations.
Again if you have to blame someone it is us.

Regards

Legacy Miniatures

[Skrit]

Nice explanation but I still don't get the prices! It's just not THAT expensive to mould and cast stuff!

[arctica]

I do think their whole planning and marketing was really not good and really does put people off their products. In fact for me i've stopped looking at their releases all together until i know they are reasonably priced. I mean i'll pay a decent sometimes expensive price for a beautiful model but these don't merit that for me yet.

[Corvus]

What a bunch of bullshit. What are they telling the fans with this press release, apart from some louse excuses? Nothing!

This is probably the worst part:

we were expecting them

Then why start with a venture like this? Maybe they hoped for the small chance that people would actually buy a ridiculous amount of money for these figures.

We are located in China

oh no

finding a trustworthy resin caster is very difficult and we found a solution that is still too expensive. For you and for us. We are now in the process to reconsider the whole process.

Maybe they should have done that in the first place...

a resin mould is used only for few casts (5 to 8 depending on the piece)

Does the quality deteriorate that much after 5 casts?

We also work the miniatures with a system of integrated plugs and this is also an additional cost.

Plugs???

we are not that many at Legacy Miniatures.

one guy? two guys?

After wave 2 and wave 3 we understood there is no reason to re-release existing products. We will limit the release to new pieces or to limited edition ones.

Will we now pay 90 USD for a box? I don't think so.

what is the best way to relaunch the game.

Check out my new Confrontation army: it has 8 miniatures in it and costed 350 USD
If they seriously plan this then they should go for plastic, metals or lower quality resin.

we will be able in the future months to fulfil your expectations.

My wish: affordable (15 USD max) metal or resin Confrontation miniatures, in separate blister packs. Don't try to resurrect the game, it's painters only who are after the miniatures now.

[fullheadofhair]

When I first heard the news about the mini's coming back I was very excited. I was a customer waiting to slap down some money. They way this has been handled is just ... strange. The way it is priced is just not worth the money - even though I can afford it I am not willing to pay those prices. It doesn't in my opinion represent good value.

I am no longer interested and don't plan on buying a single mini.

I get what some people say about Rackham's time has passed but I would put several of their sculpts up against many of todays single character sculpts and I think several of the Rackham ones would come out on top.

Why does the Rackham IP attract such bad luck?

[sea.man]

Don't try to resurrect the game, it's painters only who are after the miniatures now.

That's so away from the truth.
In Wroclaw there are many people that play it and would like to buy more Confrontation stuff to play more.
Besides there are more gamers around the world than painters

[ToMaZ]

Why does the Rackham IP attract such bad luck?

It's French... Luck goes to the Irish

[NAVARRO]

Why does the Rackham IP attract such bad luck?

It's French... Luck goes to the Irish

Its Chinese now... and that kind of justifies how greed has NO limits... All that Legacy speech would be resumed to one phrase... Greedy bastards trying to cover that fact with ridiculous excuses.

CMON also has responsibilities on this even if they want to shove all the blames to legacy... Both never expected the world of bad rep this stunt would give them...( At CMON its a pattern that does not surprise me).

Confrontation collapses even before it puts a foot out of the grave.

[Dargrin]

I just won't buy them then. Plain and simple.