Games Day Canada - May 5/07

Trovarion · Post by **Trovarion** » 24 May 2007, o 17:57

since Ana had no clue what happened either, untill the coverage was out I think there's no use talking about this untill they both (Ana and mahon) feel like saying something about it in public - or not.

I think we all know that they both would never intend to cheat their way to a demon (and i dont think demons are all that important for them either), so basically this comes down to unfortunate actions by the customer (who would act differently as well had he known the outcome, i am sure), who obviously wasn't too much into demons and their "do and don't"'s.

a complete different story, concerning loopholes in GW rules...

Golden Demons never had any ruley beyond "if you enter category A you have to mount the mini on a base of the size Y x Z".
they don't coment on if the painter has to be there or any other things that would make strict guidelines. they decide that on the day and if/when the occassion arises and once the demons are given out there won't be any changes. they simply don't care.
Golden Demons are a part of the Games Day, which is a pure GW merchandising event. What matters to GW as a company is money, not the comunity. If there were only 10-14 year olds buying the stuff they sell, slaughter it with hobby-knifes and bury the minis under 2mm of paint - they wouldn't care. They don't care for a painting comunity and if the Golden Demons are "fair".
That's why there will NEVER be a reglement longer than 25 lines of text and NEVER will there be a unified reglement for ALL demons around the world...

so speaking about loopholes in a system hat has holes the size of black holes that close at the will of whoever has the say on things on the ver day anyway is redundand.

Moose · Post by **Moose** » 25 May 2007, o 05:29

Hello to everyone,

You don't know me, but I guess now you do. I'm the one who entered Ana's mini at GD Canada. I'll tell you my version and you all can my make your own opinion of me and what happen. You'll have to excuse my english and even scipping idea and coming back to them. I have a lot on my mind to say.

First I want to point out that Ana and M didn't know anything about it until the day after GD. They were made aware of the situation as soon as I could write to them. And they were kind enough to understand what I'm about to tell you. By the way, the trophy is on the way to Ana as I write this, it left 2 days ago with a wedding gift and hope it will make it before the wedding.

It was my first GD ever. I was pretty exited. i brought my army to play a game or 2. When I learned that you could only play with a full painted army I started packing my minis. But some people saw the minis and told me that I should enter the paint contest. I said no at first because i came here to enjoy my first GD and see everything and I didn't paint them. The problem is that i didn't tell them that i didn't paint them. My mistake and I see now what a mess I made. But people kept pressing and I finally gave in, entering them in my own name. But what I really wanted to see was where Ana stood against canadian painter. It never cross my mind that she could win. I only wanted people to see her work. Don't get me wrong, she's a fabulous artist that's why I chose her to paint my minis.
Ana won and there was am mix feeling of emotion. Imagine winning and not feeling good about it. Excited and the only thing you have in mind is 2 people far away that you would want to leap of joy with them. It was great and weird at the same time.

I saw M. Lost in the warp (sorry, forgot your name, James I think), I almost gave him the trophy to give to Ana. But I didn't. Again a mistake. I guess you learn and you grow from them.

I,m out of thing to say for the moment. It's late here, I had a busy dayat work and only just notice today what was on the forum and saw what a mess I made. I'm not a good computer guy, I don't always know how things work.

Again, I apologise to Ana and M, like I told them, they're people I came to respect a gerat deal and it's a situation that I didn't want to put them into and to the painting community I appologise for the inconvenience. They don't know I'm writting this but they can confirm pretty much what I'm writting. If you have any questions I'll be happy to answer them. Post them on the forum and I'll look almost everyday and try to answer them and hope they end up on the forum.

I hope that it clarify some things

Moose
No need to hide my name , you just have to look it up on GW canada
Mark Berthiaume

Post by **Demi_morgana** » 25 May 2007, o 06:35

hey,
personally I'm glad whole story has the happy end and all is clear now

welcome to the forum btw

Post by **mahon** » 25 May 2007, o 07:33

Thanks for posting this, Mark.

We wanted to wait with posting too much about it not to make things any more complicated. I still answered everybody's questions in PMs. But what you did now - posting the explanation here - was a thing which REALLY earned you my respect and appreciation. Thanks for that. One has to have guts to face the crowd and to say "I'm the guy who did it". Respect to you for this!

Post by **mahon** » 25 May 2007, o 09:14

OK, we received the official ruling on this from the GD Canada staff:

Lack of personal presence doesn't have to result in disqualification, but it's up to the jury. They reserve themselves the right of disqualifying the entrant.

They don't check if the entrant is actually the same person as the author, but if the author proves the entrant used his works and he proves his authorship - the author can request stripping the winner of their demon.

As Mark let us know about the situation and even sent the trophy to Ana, she said she won't request the disqualification. Or at least what she told me

robacek · Post by **robacek** » 25 May 2007, o 10:05

I think moose is cool guy and thanks for your whole explanation. and only what can I say is... CONGRATULATION ANA!! it's great to hear that you get your first(?) Golden Demon!!! really big respect from me Ana especialy that it was commision work and you didn't think about competition, and minis won silver. that means that you put your whole atention and heart into your works;) Hope to meet you Mahon and Ana on polish Golden Demon soon;]

Kornel · Post by **Kornel** » 25 May 2007, o 13:13

It takes a lot of courage to explain such a situation, not everyone would be able to do that, Moose. But, all things considered, I believe it could be a nice idea for a film script, because now that all is clarified, one day this situation might be something to laugh at and a good story to tell children about

No pun intended

It certainly is the most original way to win a Golden Demon Ana

Post by **Skrit** » 25 May 2007, o 13:36

Hi Mark,

It's great you expressed yourself here and for me the whole thing is done now. The righteous winner got the trophy and the story is out there.

Hope to see you more here cause like Mahon, you've earned my respect!

Moose · Post by **Moose** » 25 May 2007, o 19:37

Hello again,

First I want to thank everybody who gave their opinion. It really took a load of my shoulder. You don't know what this means. I also receive a reply from Mahon and all is OK. I decided to go forward to help Ana and M and also because I tought it was the right thing to do. I'm a father now and a second baby is on the way and I think it's the kind of exemple I want to set for my children. You make a mistake, don't hide and face the music. You never know, people might be more understanding if you tell the truth then a lie.

The funny thing in all of this, is that I'm not a bad painter. Not close to Ana's or everybody else level but not bad either. I've always enjoy painting minis. But for 2 years I've stop completely and only started again a year ago. When I started again, after looking at some minis painted on websites, I started chaking, almost a parkinson disease as soon as I touch a bruch. But I guess what I really needed was a big kick in the ass, and i think you would all agree, I got it!!!

So what I've decided(if it's Ok with everyone), that I'm going to paint a diorama intitled ?Asking forgivness? and present it At GD next year. I don't care if I finsh last or first??? but I'll presnt it. It'll be my way to say I'm sorry to everyone and show that I can do something.I,ll even take pictures of work in progress and send them, where I don't know(remember, I'm a lousy with computer guy).

I wanted to know if I ask all of you for advices and tips to help me in my project, would it be OK?

Thanks again everyone and if you have any questions concerning the matter I'll be more than happy to answer them.

Mark

Post by **Ana** » 25 May 2007, o 22:48

Thanks Mark for your participation in the topic, I hope you feel better now

For me this situation wasn't hard even for a minute, but you could feel less comfortable.

Moose wrote:So what I've decided(if it's Ok with everyone), that I'm going to paint a diorama intitled ?Asking forgivness? and present it At GD next year.

And this idea make this story pretty funny. I will be happy to tell it to my grandchildren with such an epilogue

Moose wrote:I wanted to know if I ask all of you for advices and tips to help me in my project, would it be OK?

Of course we will help you catch another GD

Thanks all for your happiness about my success