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Post by **Demi_morgana** » 30 Sep 2008, o 15:25

NAVARRO wrote:And time now for a sissy comment to close my shit... how about trying to find bridges...

ToMaZ wrote:Obviously, (<- Keeping up with the trend of previous posts )

ToMaZ has just found the bridge

Post by **Nameless** » 30 Sep 2008, o 15:31

I don't want to start behavioural discussion, I'm not educated psychologist or sociologist. It is however scientifically proven, that we like music we know and have already heard somewhere (hence popularity of covers). That could be probably extended to not only music.
That contradicts your statement and makes it all not as obvious for me.
I will not base my statements on my pitiful psychology knowledge though, but on my experience. You accuse me of 'absolutist' replies, yet you don;t want to accept my point of view as true at least a bit. I was a judge, and my experience shows that you overestimate that first-impression factor. Let me say it again - OVERESTIMATE. I'm not denying it completely.

TMZ - I can't see a reason to not discuss seriously about our hobby

I hope we do it in friendly and polite manner, even if we strongly disagree.

ToMaZ · Post by **ToMaZ** » 30 Sep 2008, o 15:46

Nameless wrote:TMZ - I can't see a reason to not discuss seriously about our hobby I hope we do it in friendly and polite manner, even if we strongly disagree.

I'm not saying you can't discuss seriously about the hobby. I'm just saying that some take the hobby itself too serious.

And to be honest, I don't think that this discussion is about the hobby anymore :silenced:

But you're right. I don't mind a bit of bickering from time to time, just make sure you all kiss and make up afterwards

NAVARRO · Post by **NAVARRO** » 30 Sep 2008, o 16:36

Nameless wrote:I don't want to start behavioural discussion, I'm not educated psychologist or sociologist. It is however scientifically proven, that we like music we know and have already heard somewhere (hence popularity of covers). That could be probably extended to not only music.
That contradicts your statement and makes it all not as obvious for me..

If you can only discuss things if you are educated in then... i bet theres lots of topics we cant discuss... glad you opted otherwise.

Music, fashion and other things are cyclic but have you noticed how these fashions are identical yet with a big degree of inovation included to keep things appealing to most?.. Besides my statement is and i quote " in almost all levels of behaviour" THis is diferent from saying all... saying every behaviour patterns works this way is like saying " i laike" pointless.
Yet since its music your talking about, explain why artists and labels and musics born and die as fast as i can type this message? and the public is always raving for the new next big artist or music...

Nameless wrote: I will not base my statements on my pitiful psychology knowledge though, but on my experience..

Come on it wasnt that pitifull... you base your knowledge only on your experience?... then you need to experiment LOTS of things in first stance... this is why teres books and to save you time from experimenteing unecessary things... lets say burn a testicle to see if it hurts... maybe someone did it and some doctors confirmed it would hurt has hell

Nameless wrote: You accuse me of 'absolutist' replies, yet you don;t want to accept my point of view as true at least a bit. I was a judge, and my experience shows that you overestimate that first-impression factor. Let me say it again - OVERESTIMATE. I'm not denying it completely.
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LOL if you are absolutist by posting some absolutist remarks on a forum then so it be

I commented the post not the person... teh only thing i accuse you is poking arguments on a issue way to evident and clear.

You keep saying "my experience as a judge"... somehow i find it funny so freaking funny that on your experience you noticed that and i quote.

"It is my opinion though after contests where I was a judge and where I was judging both 'old' and 'new' pieces, that their influence on judges is overestimated by Trov. They are important in the so-called first cut stage, yes. Not in further stages of judging procedure. "

Heck i dont care if they are important on first cut, final cut or blind cut... Your experience says that the wow factor of looking at something fresh helps on first cut... thats good enough for some competitive contestants so that alone is a good argument against your theory^^ and hell it should be enough for you, that only speak about your personal experiences

You absolutely accused judge

Post by **Nameless** » 30 Sep 2008, o 19:12

it took me some time to get through your elaborate post, Nav. I say following very friendly - you have an irritating habit to stick to some less important parts of sentences, take the whole discussion to completely new place, and use so many words that true subject of a discussion gets lost somewhere in the meantime

Music - music (artists in fact) is very rarely innovative, yet many of musician copycats are very popular. public is raving for new stuff? please, if this was true, music companies and media would promote new artists performing new things, while we still see same faces or new face doing old stuff

Most people are lazy, comfy gits. perhaps you or me are not among them, but we are in minority. Majority wants life (in all his aspects) to be expectable - food that they know and like, trips to places they know and like, music...

Yet since its music your talking about, explain why artists and labels and musics born and die as fast as i can type this message?

no, because I can't see any link between unstable music market and judging minis

Please, let's leave the music aside, we are too far from the subject already.

Come on it wasnt that pitifull... you base your knowledge only on your experience?... then you need to experiment LOTS of things in first stance... this is why teres books and to save you time from experimenteing unecessary things... lets say burn a testicle to see if it hurts... maybe someone did it and some doctors confirmed it would hurt has hell

won't reply to that part - that's just an example of your habit

LOL if you are absolutist by posting some absolutist remarks on a forum then so it be

what part of my post this refers to?
I remind you it was you who started talking about absolutist replies

I commented the post not the person...

it is obvious that by commenting posts we comment person posting it.
no, i'm not touched by any part of your post

teh only thing i accuse you is poking arguments on a issue way to evident and clear.

you are trying really hard to not listen to me. you lacked clarification, despite my post showing that it's not that clear. I extended my reasoning
even furher, but you still ignore it.

somehow i find it funny so freaking funny that on your experience you noticed that and i quote

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what's so funny? what have I noticed? sorry, but I really can't see what you mean here.

Heck i dont care if they are important on first cut, final cut or blind cut... Your experience says that the wow factor of looking at something fresh helps on first cut...

may I remind you that the whole discussion started with Trov commenting on Ana's work. Both are not really interested in first cuts, but something more

let's speak more generally though if you wish. yes, for some contestans it might be helpful to not show wip pics, due to reasons you've stated. Note 'some' and 'might'. I still believe, that you overestimate the power of wow factor.

going back to original discussion - I don't think that showing wip pics would change much. OK, I agree that it might have some influence (like: hey, I've seen it, it's good, so I'll vote for it), but not as much as you think.
There's enough time to judge minis carefully and find mistakes, no matter if judges have seen a mini earlier or not.

NAVARRO · Post by **NAVARRO** » 30 Sep 2008, o 19:34

Funny.... I stoped in the part of irritating habit...

and since I Dont want to irritate you in any way I will follow my new habit and concentrate on that and dont continue any further.

Dont worry mate it makes perfect sense to me to discard common sense definitions in deteriment of your wide personal experiences

Post by **mahon** » 30 Sep 2008, o 19:49

I think she posted this WIP because otherwise she would have nothing to show for a lonter period of time, and she didn't mind losing the surprise factor.
For me she loses it anyway... so who cares?

You know she's not too crazy about the competetive aspect of GD (just like me) and she just posted it as a WIP of her commission work, which - with a little bit of luck - may be her GD entry.

When you spend most of your time painting commissioned pieces, it's hard to have an entry which is not a commission or meant for sale.

@ToMaZ - the bit about you and mirror was exellent!

Post by **Nameless** » 30 Sep 2008, o 19:50

good idea. ignore arguments, say you end the discussion, but then extend it just a bit with a pinch of malice.
yes, I definitely like it. Pity I haven't thought before, that one can do it to end discussion.
EOT

NAVARRO · Post by **NAVARRO** » 30 Sep 2008, o 20:04

Are you somewhat irritated?
hey! i did my best not to irritate you... but like all my arguments you just dont listen do you?
Malice me? hey im just as friendly as the next guy.
Also do you gain some fuel cuppons by closing debates or something? you seem a bit way to much concerned about it...

dont forget you have all members here and all www to "debate"

Post by **Nameless** » 30 Sep 2008, o 20:09

no, I'm not. surprised? yes, a bit.
EOT for me - does it now make more sense to you Nav?