Copies or Scibor's original works? (Copyright issues)

Artemis · Post by **Artemis** » 12 May 2006, o 15:04

endrem wrote:
mahon wrote:But shouldn't you pay for using other's works for commercial uses?
As far as I know, if you redo everything (playing instruments, singing) on your own, then you don't have to pay for it.
As soon as you use an original sample which is longer than 8 seconds, you have to pay.

Look up 'royalties'.

Post by **mahon** » 12 May 2006, o 15:04

Artemis wrote:It could be, however even if he did sculpt the second head by hand from scratch - which is ridiculously unlikely - then it's still a direct copy just as if you drew a perfect bank note or a perfect mona lisa. They are all still illegal copies.

Many painters copy paintings and sell the copies. Are they doing something illegal?
I always thought that if you painted MOna Lisa and clearly stated it's just your own version/copy of the original painting - giving credits whomever you should - that you're OK with it.

endrem · Post by **endrem** » 12 May 2006, o 15:06

I just did, you are right.

If a music educator wishes to record a band, choir, orchestra, or any performing group, they must keep in mind that the copyright owner alone has the right to reproduce a piece of music. This can be done by printing the music or by recording the music. Either way, the exclusive right belongs to the copyright owner.

I'll get back to the guy, who told me that

Artemis · Post by **Artemis** » 12 May 2006, o 15:09

tidoco2222 wrote:Well I have read this thread now from the last time I posted and I have to say that this is becoming a little silly. If Scibor has used/copied games workshops parts or infringed on their IP copyright then I am sure that GW will do something about it, check out what happened to Sophia's miniatures. That said I find the minis exciting and look forward to painting up the first two that I bought off e-bay recently. The simple answer is if you don't like what he is doing then just ignore it GW WILL if they feel that they are being taken for a ride do something about it, but as they haven't yet and Scibor has been trading his conversions for some time makes me believe that they are not bothered. Until then take this chance to get hold of some cool looking minis.
But if you don't like them then just leave it alone. I know I am going to get called down for this comment but I felt I just had to post my view.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm fairly certain you'd feel differently if you were a sculptor not a painter and having your work ripped off.

Skyrm · Post by **Skyrm** » 12 May 2006, o 15:12

endrem wrote:
mahon wrote:But shouldn't you pay for using other's works for commercial uses?
As far as I know, if you redo everything (playing instruments, singing) on your own, then you don't have to pay for it.
As soon as you use an original sample which is longer than 8 seconds, you have to pay.

Nope.
If you do a cover version of a song written by someone else and sell copies of it you will be liable to pay royalties to the the song writer. The music and the lyrics are both covered by this. There are plenty of song writers out there that make a living like this without ever having recorded a song themselves!

Artemis · Post by **Artemis** » 12 May 2006, o 15:16

mahon wrote:
Artemis wrote:It could be, however even if he did sculpt the second head by hand from scratch - which is ridiculously unlikely - then it's still a direct copy just as if you drew a perfect bank note or a perfect mona lisa. They are all still illegal copies.
Many painters copy paintings and sell the copies. Are they doing something illegal?
I always thought that if you painted MOna Lisa and clearly stated it's just your own version/copy of the original painting - giving credits whomever you should - that you're OK with it.

Yeah the Mona Lisa was a crappy example as it's pre-copyright but you got the gist

(If it had been painted recently and was covered by copyright laws then yes it would be illegal to sell reproductions without the copyright owners permission)

Skyrm · Post by **Skyrm** » 12 May 2006, o 15:22

Artemis wrote: I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm fairly certain you'd feel differently if you were a sculptor not a painter and having your work ripped off.

I'm a sculptor and had some of my stuff pirated by some Brazilians so I feel pretty touchy about the subject. Unfortunately I can't do anything about it because Brazilian law is very slack on this kind of thing. It would cost a fortune to take them to court and I would probably not get anywhere anyway. This is what these people bargain on.

Duff · Post by **Duff** » 12 May 2006, o 15:32

endrem wrote:
mahon wrote:But shouldn't you pay for using other's works for commercial uses?
As far as I know, if you redo everything (playing instruments, singing) on your own, then you don't have to pay for it.
As soon as you use an original sample which is longer than 8 seconds, you have to pay.

You still have to pay the songwrter Royalties which are at least equal to what the band will earn. Sorry, I'm not stopping but that statement was so monumentally ignorant and stupid I couldn't stay quiet.

Roy

Trovarion · Post by **Trovarion** » 12 May 2006, o 15:34

ok, so we agree on one thing:

stealing is bad.

if someone feels like he has been robbed who does he call? does he call Artemis...? ehhhhhhhh..........

If GW feels robbed they will do something. Might I ask why you, Artemis, are on this crusade...? thought about sculpting something yourself instead of using up time complaining and accusing? no offence...

endrem · Post by **endrem** » 12 May 2006, o 15:35

Sorry, I'm not stopping but that statement was so monumentally ignorant and stupid I couldn't stay quiet.

You could have, as I have already corrected myself.