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OK, good points. Just why are PP miniatures so rarely chosen by painters for painting contests? Why so few PP miniatures win miniature painting contests?

I am all for open and unbiased discussion and although I often see rubber toys in PP thread, I will most happily discuss their miniatures in more detail!

mahon wrote:OK, good points. Just why are PP miniatures so rarely chosen by painters for painting contests? Why so few PP miniatures win miniature painting contests?

Why they don't get chosen by painters, I don't know. I'm not a mind reader. The fact that they do not win that often has probably something to do with the not being chosen part.
And you can ask the same question about reaper figs, or dark age, freebooter, infinity... I've never seen a lot of those figs entered nor win a contest.
You see Rackham figs because there are still people out there who believe them to be the ultimate and best figs in the world. A real painters challenge

When I attended painting contests the general public seems to take a GW mini because they are easy to convert, well known and easy to get your hands on while getting an abundance of spare parts too. It is a world that they know and everyone else knows.

The fact that you ask where the PP figs are in competitions is because you accept them to be one of the big manufacturers, do you not? While basically PP only exists for about 10 years now. And they started out with RPG books. They only started designing figs roughly 7 years ago (give or take). And that in a period where new manufacturers start a line of miniatures on a regular basis. They knew an explosive growth a year or 3 back because of clever marketing and a good game. Now they have become so big, so fast that they struggle to keep up with demands...

Compare that to GW, which started 25 - 30 years ago?? (Rough guess)
GW is the big daddy, the grandaddy of miniature games and small scale modelling.
People paint GW figs because of the established value of the golden deamons. Or because they used to play a Warhammer variant. I even bet there are very few people here who never played a GW game...
Their footprint on the miniature business is gigantic.

And to come back to my earlier post, you can't argue about taste. I like PP figs. Their bulky style appeals to me. There are awful figs in their range, but beautiful figs as well. Maybe not as refined as the rest, but who cares? You don't need to like them. The only reason I reacted is because I'm just tired of these short sighted comments and the lack of constructively build replies.
Kacpero started the ball rolling, I just like to make it a bit bigger to stirr things up a bit.

ToMaZ, I enjoy this discussion.

And just as I can't appreciate some of PP miniatures, you will find me expressing my disappointment in the Reaper thread. Man, I even became fond of the cute mice because they to be the best releases there

Sure, GW has longer tradition and experience, but I never meant their minis are better. I think there are new guys in the game, much younger than GW, whose miniatures are mmuch better (IMHO) than GW's and PP's - I simply love Infinity models, Enigma, Tale of War, Dark Sword Miniatures, Hasslefree Miniatures (not all, but many), Guild of Harmony, etc.
PP stuff is sometimes just a notch better to me than Mantic Games, and it's not a compliment for me. But of course both PP and Mantic can have their fans and that's absolutely fine with me.

There were some models from PP I really liked. Most are from Cryx, but there were some other cool ones too. They're just too few, dominated by much weaker (from my perspective) releases.

Just my opinion and I agree to disagree with you and others. And I also enjoy the discussion

mahon wrote:ToMaZ, I enjoy this discussion.

As do I mate. I've been holding my tongue for a bit too long I think.

mahon wrote:And just as I can't appreciate some of PP miniatures, you will find me expressing my disappointment in the Reaper thread. Man, I even became fond of the cute mice because they to be the best releases there

I know you do. To be honest, there are few people here who truly express their view on miniatures and you are one of them. (and the mice a one of reapers best... ^^)

mahon wrote:Sure, GW has longer tradition and experience, but I never meant their minis are better. I think there are new guys in the game, much younger than GW, whose miniatures are mmuch better (IMHO) than GW's and PP's - I simply love Infinity models, Enigma, Tale of War, Dark Sword Miniatures, Hasslefree Miniatures (not all, but many), Guild of Harmony, etc.
PP stuff is sometimes just a notch better to me than Mantic Games, and it's not a compliment for me. But of course both PP and Mantic can have their fans and that's absolutely fine with me.

There were some models from PP I really liked. Most are from Cryx, but there were some other cool ones too. They're just too few, dominated by much weaker (from my perspective) releases.

Just my opinion and I agree to disagree with you and others. And I also enjoy the discussion

The reason why I was comparing with GW is because they seem to be on equal foot when gaming vs miniatures is considered. They are the bigger players.
I full heartedly agree with you that Enigma, Tale of War, Dark Sword,... are better. Much much much better. But they all started with the figs first, and some decided to add a game to the figs later. In my perspective that makes them a different type of manufacturer. They focused on the aesthetics first.

Besides, doesn't every manufacturer have it's own style? Fragile rackham figs, edgy laser printed GW figs, comical tale of war pirates, big boobs freebooter, clunky PP, ugly mantic

And I'm generally not disagreeing with you. Aesthetically, there are a ton of better options than the PP figs. For me though, someone who truly enjoys the game and likes to test his painting skills (when he can) they suit my needs.

I think the discussion deviated a bit from the original point I was trying to make btw

ToMaZ, don't forget that you're talking to a man who loves oldschool miniatures, old ugly sculpts - just for their awkwardness, for their shapelessness and deformated looks. The same person who liked THE MINI and painted it.

I can easily understand that somebody likes miniatures which others may not find all that appealing.

Yep, it's quite impressive how fast PP managed to become a comparable player to GW. Probably still much behind, but now comparable. Who else is?

And while we're at GW - I am usually quite disappointed with their new releases now. I feel they're too artificial, too lifeless, too plastic. I miss the days of old rough metal casts. Those were the days...

Now back to PP - can you show us some pics from Vlad's blog? You mentioned they're cool...

Blog/website here: Studio Junger

Can I speak my mind about PP? Hope its not to late

Sculpts are a hit and miss affair but they are all sharp, you may dislike the design, or the assembly or the style but they are professional quality nonetheless...

What lures me to PP specially trollbloods it's the look of the guys, its like a mix of cartoons/ OTT comics / warcraft etc etc... Its a very explosive combo of ideas and they are totally diferent from what most other ranges spawn on the market. I think the fact that they managed to mix lots of influences and create a original Design Identity on their miniatures is something rare and I applaud it.

I will continue collecting some minis, the range is inconstant but they are not afraid to try new things ( latest race and latest engines)... I can say I'm a fan of design teams that push things to other levels.

Wow ToMaZ you really showed another face of PP.

Personally i've always liked a large proportion of the PP range and i think they have some really cool and unique models. So i do agree with both Tomaz and Nav, sometimes they have some strange or boring models but as things go I more often than not really like the models.

The new plastics that are now coming out are also really quite good and I think they are rapidly catching up with GW in terms of quality of models. As most of their stuff has hardly any need for cleaning mold lines, it's just that occassionally the parts are a little difficult to put together with the assistance of green stuff.

recognizable and unique style - for sure!
quality - well, these photos from Studio Junger are quite impressive. I actually like many of these. why can't they make their promo shots so inspiring?