GD rules/entries discussion

[NAVARRO]

Portuguese GD's are the most original of all... we have no rules, no need to paint minis, everyone can enter, teams allowed, just bring sun lotion... and hot chicks

[mahon]

Portuguese GD's are the most original of all... we have no rules, no need to paint minis

you convinced me I want to go to Portugal

[Skeeve]

Europe - sorry, I'm not following you. You're surprised that European people are entering american GDs? Well, we are allowed to come to the other side of the pond, just as you can come here In cases such as this one, european painters usually don't know that their commissioned works were entered by their clients. This has happened few times to CoC painters (Ana, Demon Color, Irkuck - IIRC), and I hope this is the case now, too.

No, all I am saying is that ok, you desperately want a stature, and you actually paint really well. Wouldn't it be easier, from logistic point of view to simply participate in several European GDs rather then initiate such a complicated scheme (assuming there is a scheme here).

At least you know Karol in flesh, otherwise I would have a good laugh if it turned out in the end that Karol is an assumed Comon name of this collector.

[NAVARRO]

WHo knows, maybe only that american collector buys his stuff? Or was the first one to sugest such stunt? Maybe it was just a case of oportunism... apart from that everyone knows US GD's have inconstant quality peeks? So in theory it would be easy for a accomplished painter to win something there?

[illusionrip]

i don't think it's necessary to polemic on this case, it's happen, it's good or not the essential is that GAMES WORKSHOP take in hand the problem, and want to solve the problem listening both side version....

@skeeve: please do not use "desesperately" word, it's quite pejorative and offensing for european or polish people
by the way, i planned to go to an american GD just to meet people and go outside of european borders...may be it's good to opening ourselves to others, it make progress

[Skeeve]

Karol said in the comment to one of his coolmini entries that he didn't know that the collector entered these minies in his own name.
I am actually inclined to believe this.

[mahon]

Skeeve, as it was already mentioned - several miniatures of painters whose works are displayed here were entered into competitions on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean.

None of the painters knew about it, and fortunately for the painters (Demon Color and Irkuck IIRC) - the works won no trophies, so there was no large scandal, except for people being so disappointed they missed the chance to meet Demon Color, who was exceptionally popular at the time.

Then one customer entered a squad painted by Ana in Canada and won silver. She didn't know about it until he informed her. He was embarassed to admit it, as he entered the squad as his own. The parties involved contacted GW but they were not too interested in changing anything. The answer was that in exceptional situations personal presence is not necessary, and this should be such a case - if we solve the situation ourselves. The trophy was sent to Ana but the entrant remained the 'official' winner.
Initially there was a lot of explaining that it was not just a cheap trick to win a demon, especially that Ana never considered this squad to be a worthy GD entry so she wouldn't even consider entering it.

Then there was a similar case this year that a customer entered another squad but this time as Ana's work and with her name as the author. The work was accepted even though it was obvious it was not entered personally. It won a trophy again, and the customer happily informed Ana about it. We wanted to contact GW before doing anything and Ana suggested that she doesn't feel like it's fair to the people who couldn't win because of that, and that it should be dealt with somehow. GW US stood up to the task and promised to send the trophies to the right persons - thus disqualifying her entry and granting the awards to the next winners. We felt it was very fair and were happy to know they care so much in the US.

I can't recall any of such situations from Europe, even though - believe me - many collectors are Europeans.
Many of the people who entered somebody else's works may want to have a GD-winning model, some want to honor the authors.
Anyway it seems to be more popular in America than in Europe.

I can believe Karol didn't know about it. I heard about several situations when works were entered by somebody else on the painter's behalf, just because nobody could check if the painter was actually the person who was present at the event/ceremony or not. But unless we start verifying IDs, that's not likely to change.

I would be very happy to visit any of the American GDs, especially to meet people and exchange comments and experiences. There are many painters whom I'd love to meet there.... but the cost of such trip is still too high for me. Even in Europe the cost is not low for me (especially that it usually means two persons), but flying across the ocean is way too expensive at the moment.

Surely one day we'll make it, but now we're not ready yet. On the other hand, why don't the American painters come to Europe?

[Skeeve]

Skeeve, as it was already mentioned - several miniatures of painters whose works are displayed here were entered into competitions on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean.

I can't recall any of such situations from Europe, even though - believe me - many collectors are Europeans.
Many of the people who entered somebody else's works may want to have a GD-winning model, some want to honor the authors.
Anyway it seems to be more popular in America than in Europe.

To that list of yours I can add Baltimore 2007, I believe, when somebody entered old ork racer that was painted by one of McVey's, and LOTR Bronze in Atlanta 2005 (I think it was 2005), don't remember who painted that one.

With Ann's squad this year in Baltimore.. Well in a retrospect it was almost funny. This squad was in top 10 on coolmini for months. So, even with my horrible visual memory, I was sure that I saw this squad somewhere before. A friend of mine said right away that it was Anna's and spend some time looking for her. The venue in Baltimore is in the center of or rather lovely business/tourist district on a bay shore and people often leave the building and just walk around and have (more) fun, so we all assumed that she is around. Now, you can imagine our surprise when "Ana" was called to the podium and instead ... some guy went up and took the trophy. You should've seen people's faces - I am pretty sure that all over the world "Ana" is invariably a girl's name

I would be very happy to visit any of the American GDs, especially to meet people and exchange comments and experiences. There are many painters whom I'd love to meet there.... but the cost of such trip is still too high for me. Even in Europe the cost is not low for me (especially that it usually means two persons), but flying across the ocean is way too expensive at the moment.

Surely one day we'll make it, but now we're not ready yet. On the other hand, why don't the American painters come to Europe?

Well, we are not all rich here either and with falling dollar air fairs bite. In my case, trip to Europe would also mean at least 2, but most likely 4 people . However, I am pretty sure that at least two Americans will be in London this year - Jeff Wilhelm (dragonforgedesign on coolmini) and my fellow new yorker Ansel Elgort who got his first "adult" demon this year in Baltimore.

[mahon]

Now, you can imagine our surprise when "Ana" was called to the podium and instead ... some guy went up and took the trophy. You should've seen people's faces - I am pretty sure that all over the world "Ana" is invariably a girl's name

The silly thing is that the staff knew that it was not her who entered the mini, as the owner even asked the staff if they don't know if he didn't make any errors in spelling of her name. Even though it happens that men are given female names, it's rare that one asks others if he wrote his own name right

However, I am pretty sure that at least two Americans will be in London this year - Jeff Wilhelm (dragonforgedesign on coolmini) and my fellow new yorker Ansel Elgort who got his first "adult" demon this year in Baltimore.

Eh, we decided to try to go to one foreign per year, as it's about as much as we can afford... I can only regret this year we're not going to the UK.