GD rules/entries discussion

[Nameless]

team entries - of course it is cheating, if rules forbid them. I don't really recall any such cases after team works got banned in GD rules. I'm not saying this has not happened. If it has - it is equally disgusting to me.



Edit: Split from original thread. -LE

[arctica]

All seems a bit strange to me, plus surely there isn't much satisfaction in winning a demon when it isn't your own work? :/

[NAVARRO]

team entries - of course it is cheating, if rules forbid them. I don't really recall any such cases after team works got banned in GD rules. I'm not saying this has not happened. If it has - it is equally disgusting to me.

Your a bit clueless mate... like I was untill i found out what hapened at GD spain 2009... sure its not specified in the rules but makes it right?... Right or wrong team works were the main flavor in some cats in spain ( told in public by participants on team efforts).

[Nameless]

we're going bit OT, so perhaps a mod should consider moving us to a new place

Nav, I don't like team works. Not as much as you perhaps, but still In my opinion such entries should not be accepted by rules.
But - if rules are not specifically forbidding those, what would be the basis for rejection of such entry? I might not like it, I might think it's not right, but I'd have to accept it.
There's not much difference for me between e.g. using a base scuplted/made by someone else and using a pre-cast base (there's so many of them on the market). Why would the first case be wrong, and the latter not?
I remind that this is a painting contest, and base/sculpt should not influence the judgment. At least that's the theory

[mahon]

Is Karol your fellow polish painter? You guys know him?

No, I don't know him but he's Polish.
If he was more active in the community, the community might stand in his defense. But I don't know the guy, so....

[NAVARRO]

Nameless, Sorry OT but was just pointing out that in europe this "consented" cheating also happens... Its just another form of cheating and I like it as much as what happened in chicago... not much
The diference between base and customized sculpt is that one is available to all to exploit and the other is tooled up to a particular entrie making it unique and more interesting to the judge eye. ( also disagree with just painting comp comment hehe)... But ok lets not get stuck in team entries.

Mahon, my post was not a call for defense of the comunity was more like: let the guy know whats happening and let him defend his own credibility.

[Nameless]

I agree to disagree

[mahon]

ah OK, unfortuantely I am too lazy for that.

I wish all GD had the same rules, but unfortunately it's not true now. German GD officially allows teamworks, Polish GD doesn't care about the sculptor - it's the painter who matters (and it was decided by the GW staff), in Australia personal presence is not necessary... eh...
the same goes for limitations about which categories one is allowed to enter...

and then it's difficult to compare one GD to another

[Skeeve]

ah OK, unfortuantely I am too lazy for that.

I staff), in Australia personal presence is not necessary... e.

and then it's difficult to compare one GD to another

Really? Wow, Off I go to read Australian rules... This is very strange though, why then, people from all over the world haven't flooded Australian GD with entries yet .
If people will figure it out they may end up with "play-by-mail" GD.

As for what is wrong with us people .... Well - many collectors are in US. Are do busy that they, apparently cannot be bothered to read rules. Hey, this is whole two-page document, it might take whole 10 minutes of my precious time . What I really don't understand. You guys in Europe, have so many of these events relatively close to each other, why not there and in person. No, don't get me wrong. I am all for people coming to US GD, in fact the more the better; might improve general quality of US demons too, but why willingly break the rules.

As for Karol, I'd rather reserve my judgment. IT is possible that the collector entered his minie under his own name, but immediately informed him about the wins. May be he didn't read rules and didn't know that the entry has to be personal. but, well I am speculating here

[Nameless]

Australia - they have a specific prequalification procedure due to distances between cities you first (personally) submit entry in your local GW store, if you're lucky enough you are chosen to proceed further with your entry. all that was explained in details somewhere on our forum by some guy from OZ (Automaton, IIRC). Check the forum for threads about Australia GD.

Europe - sorry, I'm not following you. You're surprised that European people are entering american GDs? Well, we are allowed to come to the other side of the pond, just as you can come here In cases such as this one, european painters usually don't know that their commissioned works were entered by their clients. This has happened few times to CoC painters (Ana, Demon Color, Irkuck - IIRC), and I hope this is the case now, too.

Karol - I'm not saying he was taking active part or that he was aware of it prior to competition. Have no proof for that. Still, he could have acted like Ana, when her works were used in GDs (US and Canada) and won demons - contact all parties concerned, state that her minis were entered without her consent, and ask organizers to act as per their will (like giving statues to other ppl). Karol updated his CMON pages with a note - gd winner.