I will not pay 5 euro for that... I do not have ewen time to learn painting from free sources.
But its just me.
Jeremie Bonamant Teboul Painting Classes - Berlin!
Re: RE: Re: Jeremie Bonamant Teboul Painting Classes - Berli
I just have a problem with people calling me dude...lol-MattCexwish- wrote:You seem to have some serious problem with me, mate...... You never say anything good about the stuff I do... well...
The calculation is like that...
75 EURO´s x 10 People is 750 EURO... We pay his trip to Berlin, we pay some other stuff of which just the participants profit... Jeremie gets a fixed payment, 300 EURO... For three days it´s 100 EURO a day... Divided through 10 is 10 EURO per day per person (haha, watch out, it get´s tricky... Luv Mathematics...)... And now you take this for the (about...) at least 6 hours (will be more...), you get... about 1,50 EURO per hour per person...
Wow... he´s a really greedy bastard all in all, I guess... Maybe he should glue some papebags together and he could become a millionaire more easily......
... I hope this shows that it´s rather for the sake of the people that he comes to Berlin...
And this isn't about you, I'm afraid you're not THAT important to me
no ofence...When did I say jeremie is a "greedy bastard" ...? holy cow...you seem to confuse my own, personal unwillingness to pay for paitning lessons with criticism towards your project
lass die Pferde mal im Stall bitte like I mentioned I am SURE this will be a success for the people who attend. This is just me not willing to pay monney for advice.
btw. 100 Euro per day is not bad an income...how many of us here have that?
@Illusionrip: I know, I know - I've tried to help people become better at painting in my area too, with workshops and it's the best way to look at their errors and show them what they could do better.
Still when someone tells you how to do this and that better he might eventually pic up the brush and show you on the model, because if he stands next to you and tells you this and that you might as well read an internet article that's what I ment with "watch someone painting". It wasn't meant negative either...-
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RE: Re: RE: Re: Jeremie Bonamant Teboul Painting Classes - B
@Matt: are You going to wear PGDC t-shirt during the event?
well i think its a cool thing you guys can be organized as a painter comunity and bring talented artists to help out in kind of an interactive seminar.
Be glad of having a painter comunity in the first place its really annoying being almost alone in a country.
As for 75 euro ticket i must say its a bit weird to talk if its overpriced or not because it really depends how much you think it will be usefull for your personal painting goals, and theres really no price for that...
Personnaly i would struggle a lot of not splashing the money on fresh minis
I wish the best of lucks and hoping it will be a big sucess to all involved.
Be glad of having a painter comunity in the first place its really annoying being almost alone in a country.
As for 75 euro ticket i must say its a bit weird to talk if its overpriced or not because it really depends how much you think it will be usefull for your personal painting goals, and theres really no price for that...
Personnaly i would struggle a lot of not splashing the money on fresh minis
I wish the best of lucks and hoping it will be a big sucess to all involved.
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@ Demi Morgana
No... that has nothing to do with the Polish Games Day Crew, so... why should I...?...... Maybe you like me in this Red White T-Shirt, geeee...
... I have some... more private Pics of me wearing it... I send them to you......
@ przemo
I answer your PN soon......
Illusionsrip will come, Przemek "Szary" Jacko is plannign to... here you have the complete (to date...) list...
Participants:
1.) GeOrc ...
2.) TIN...
3.) illusionsrip ...
4.) -Drake- (aka Vanilli......)...
5.) Mirni...
6.) Martin...
7.) HOHO...
8.) Saphod...
Not sure / waiting list:
1.) jimraynor ...
2.) Oli...
3.) Szary...
On the list, but don´t count to the 10 Participants maximum:
Ben Komets...
Matt Cexwish...
No... that has nothing to do with the Polish Games Day Crew, so... why should I...?...
... Maybe you like me in this Red White T-Shirt, geeee...... I have some... more private Pics of me wearing it... I send them to you......@ przemo
I answer your PN soon...
...Illusionsrip will come, Przemek "Szary" Jacko is plannign to... here you have the complete (to date...) list...
Participants:
1.) GeOrc ...
2.) TIN...
3.) illusionsrip ...
4.) -Drake- (aka Vanilli......)...
5.) Mirni...
6.) Martin...
7.) HOHO...
8.) Saphod...
Not sure / waiting list:
1.) jimraynor ...
2.) Oli...
3.) Szary...
On the list, but don´t count to the 10 Participants maximum:
Ben Komets...
Matt Cexwish...
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To all Participants, I need your E-Mail QUICKLY, so I can send you an important text...
Furthermore I will give you the Bank Account... So please post your E-Mail here......
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Mini Class : What?s the Deal ?
Don?t have the age for summer camps anymore ? You?re not keen on ClubMed ? Painting with just some old magazines and Internet is as motivating as a diner with your stepparents ? Come and do a mini class, to paint minis. !
For three days, 12 mini painters will meet to share pleasure and progress and under the well-advised critics and the motivating whip lashes of a professional painter.
Theoretic presentations to remind you of the general concept and principals of painting and an alternance between collective demonstrations and individual teachings make these classes intensive learning experiences. The mini teacher adapts his lessons to every participant to allow everyone an evolution adapted to his level, his personality, and his level. The passion with witch participants share their experience, puts in place an atmosphere charged with creative energy and enthusiasm, which exalts students of all ages and of all levels. Whether you are a beginner or a confirmed painter you will feel at ease and right where you belong
List of mandatory material for participants :
Brushes of Different and appropriate sizes. I highly recommend the raphaël 8404 T0, 8400 T0, 8404 T 2/0. The end result will really show the difference while you work and assimilate new technique. You can find them in good art stores. Sometimes the organizer does a grouped command, contact him in that case.
Various acrylic paints : Prefer the Games Workshop ones, Prince August or model colors are ok, stay clear of Rackham and Andrea.
Super glue
Lights : Two if possible with daylight bulb or powerful (100W is fine). Small bedside lamps are to stay away from. Prefer lamp that can be oriented like architect?s lamps.
Cutter, various files, X-acto, scalpel and blades
Hand dremel, wire of different diameter (0.7, 0.8, 0.9 mm)
Eventually the theme mini of the class, unless the organizer is charged with getting them.
Come with colored cloths. Trust me on that.
Don?t forget to come with your old minis to show off, for a more personalized class and to get a sense of your progression.
Preferred complementary List
(Don?t take too much stuff if you?re coming by train):
Thin sandpaper 800 or 1000
Base material, static grass, sand, small rocks.
GreenStuff/Milliput (the red box is nice)
Games Workshop undercoats white and/or black
Sticky paste
Portable computer and some blank Cds, getting reference material is very useful
Sculpting tools
Everything ells you might need.
Material Jeremie puts personally at your disposition
(Depending on the weight he?s allowed to carry) :
Same as all the participants.
Artificial grass, and various basing material.
Mat varnish (Talens), Medium (Pebeo) and Enamels
Photo studio and Camera (to take the WIPs and the end result )
A computer with lots of reference material
A card adaptor to transfer the pics of the stage and eventually burn some Cds.
A hair dryer to make base coats faster.
Dictaphone to make note taking faster.
Stupid music Cds
FAQ
Following a discussion on Forums and during preceding classes, here?s a FAQ to prepare the classes correctly.
Q1) what is the layout of the days ?
No two classes are the same. My professional experience at Illyade games and Andrea have contributed to make my technique change and improve. My technique and priorities change. So my advice and technique change from class to class. The schedule also depends of the class mini, of the student?s level and what they want to do. But, usually the three days are usually cut out as follows. Prep work the first day, technical exercises the second day ( blend, washes, glazes,?), and then a more artistic opening the third day (colors, mood, ect.)
Day1 : Removing mold lines, filing, milliput juices, dilution, color theory, Once all is understood it allows us to concentrate on the actual application of theory,
Day2 : Zenithal lighting theory and application, highlighting and shading?.the mastering of blending then allows the more theoretical concepts and some specifics?
Day3 : Color theories and application, skin and Face, Light points? It?s often the face and the richness of its tints that allows me to start on this?
Then on the last half day, we go on to more relaxing things : Metals ( NMM or not), freehand, gems, details, Varnish, enamels, bases, base material, paints, how to use natural bas material, compositions.. We also do an examination of the various mistakes made during the class by going back on them.
Q2) what are the Daily hours?
9h-14h then 14h-19h is already very dense. If the room is available later on in the day students always appreciate some more relaxing painting and free.
Q3) how do the days fold out ?
In the morning, spirits behind more awake, I do more delicate subjects ( faces, blending). I do the difficult theories and application that require high level of alert. The afternoon is more of a more personal application. I noticed that progress largely show themselves on the second day, and even more so on the third day. So theory is mostly on the first two-day and application on the last two.
Furthermore I will give you the Bank Account... So please post your E-Mail here...
...The Text... Some chosen bits...
Mini Class : What?s the Deal ?
Don?t have the age for summer camps anymore ? You?re not keen on ClubMed ? Painting with just some old magazines and Internet is as motivating as a diner with your stepparents ? Come and do a mini class, to paint minis. !
For three days, 12 mini painters will meet to share pleasure and progress and under the well-advised critics and the motivating whip lashes of a professional painter.
Theoretic presentations to remind you of the general concept and principals of painting and an alternance between collective demonstrations and individual teachings make these classes intensive learning experiences. The mini teacher adapts his lessons to every participant to allow everyone an evolution adapted to his level, his personality, and his level. The passion with witch participants share their experience, puts in place an atmosphere charged with creative energy and enthusiasm, which exalts students of all ages and of all levels. Whether you are a beginner or a confirmed painter you will feel at ease and right where you belong
List of mandatory material for participants :
Brushes of Different and appropriate sizes. I highly recommend the raphaël 8404 T0, 8400 T0, 8404 T 2/0. The end result will really show the difference while you work and assimilate new technique. You can find them in good art stores. Sometimes the organizer does a grouped command, contact him in that case.
Various acrylic paints : Prefer the Games Workshop ones, Prince August or model colors are ok, stay clear of Rackham and Andrea.
Super glue
Lights : Two if possible with daylight bulb or powerful (100W is fine). Small bedside lamps are to stay away from. Prefer lamp that can be oriented like architect?s lamps.
Cutter, various files, X-acto, scalpel and blades
Hand dremel, wire of different diameter (0.7, 0.8, 0.9 mm)
Eventually the theme mini of the class, unless the organizer is charged with getting them.
Come with colored cloths. Trust me on that.
Don?t forget to come with your old minis to show off, for a more personalized class and to get a sense of your progression.
Preferred complementary List
(Don?t take too much stuff if you?re coming by train):
Thin sandpaper 800 or 1000
Base material, static grass, sand, small rocks.
GreenStuff/Milliput (the red box is nice)
Games Workshop undercoats white and/or black
Sticky paste
Portable computer and some blank Cds, getting reference material is very useful
Sculpting tools
Everything ells you might need.
Material Jeremie puts personally at your disposition
(Depending on the weight he?s allowed to carry) :
Same as all the participants.
Artificial grass, and various basing material.
Mat varnish (Talens), Medium (Pebeo) and Enamels
Photo studio and Camera (to take the WIPs and the end result )
A computer with lots of reference material
A card adaptor to transfer the pics of the stage and eventually burn some Cds.
A hair dryer to make base coats faster.
Dictaphone to make note taking faster.
Stupid music Cds
FAQ
Following a discussion on Forums and during preceding classes, here?s a FAQ to prepare the classes correctly.
Q1) what is the layout of the days ?
No two classes are the same. My professional experience at Illyade games and Andrea have contributed to make my technique change and improve. My technique and priorities change. So my advice and technique change from class to class. The schedule also depends of the class mini, of the student?s level and what they want to do. But, usually the three days are usually cut out as follows. Prep work the first day, technical exercises the second day ( blend, washes, glazes,?), and then a more artistic opening the third day (colors, mood, ect.)
Day1 : Removing mold lines, filing, milliput juices, dilution, color theory, Once all is understood it allows us to concentrate on the actual application of theory,
Day2 : Zenithal lighting theory and application, highlighting and shading?.the mastering of blending then allows the more theoretical concepts and some specifics?
Day3 : Color theories and application, skin and Face, Light points? It?s often the face and the richness of its tints that allows me to start on this?
Then on the last half day, we go on to more relaxing things : Metals ( NMM or not), freehand, gems, details, Varnish, enamels, bases, base material, paints, how to use natural bas material, compositions.. We also do an examination of the various mistakes made during the class by going back on them.
Q2) what are the Daily hours?
9h-14h then 14h-19h is already very dense. If the room is available later on in the day students always appreciate some more relaxing painting and free.
Q3) how do the days fold out ?
In the morning, spirits behind more awake, I do more delicate subjects ( faces, blending). I do the difficult theories and application that require high level of alert. The afternoon is more of a more personal application. I noticed that progress largely show themselves on the second day, and even more so on the third day. So theory is mostly on the first two-day and application on the last two.
